Comments on: Gen Con Woes http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/ Matt Forbeck's official website and blog Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:18:18 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: talkin’ about » Blog Archive » More on Gen Con LLC http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44136 talkin’ about » Blog Archive » More on Gen Con LLC Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:03:36 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44136 [...] and Parenting Machine Matt Forbeck has some analysis of what’s going on with Gen Con Indy and Gen Con LLC. I’ve been super [...] [...] and Parenting Machine Matt Forbeck has some analysis of what’s going on with Gen Con Indy and Gen Con LLC. I’ve been super [...]

]]> By: Matt Forbeck http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44128 Matt Forbeck Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:26:04 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44128 Congratulations, Rob! (You bastard. :)) Congratulations, Rob! (You bastard. :) )

]]> By: Rob Wieland http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44125 Rob Wieland Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:45:44 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44125 It's my fault. I knew I should have signed up to go this year instead of get married. It’s my fault. I knew I should have signed up to go this year instead of get married.

]]> By: Matt Forbeck http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44120 Matt Forbeck Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:33:03 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44120 I believe that all of the non-US shows are run under license. I don't believe the bankruptcy will affect them at all, although many contracts for all sorts of things contain clauses that can render them void if either party declares bankruptcy. If both parties wish to ignore that and go forward, though, that can often be ignored. As these contracts likely don't cost Gen Con anything and could theoretically produce revenue, I would doubt a bankruptcy court would wish to interfere with them. But I'm just watching this from the sidelines with the rest of us. What do I know? I believe that all of the non-US shows are run under license. I don’t believe the bankruptcy will affect them at all, although many contracts for all sorts of things contain clauses that can render them void if either party declares bankruptcy. If both parties wish to ignore that and go forward, though, that can often be ignored. As these contracts likely don’t cost Gen Con anything and could theoretically produce revenue, I would doubt a bankruptcy court would wish to interfere with them.

But I’m just watching this from the sidelines with the rest of us. What do I know?

]]> By: Dave Wright http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44118 Dave Wright Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:39:10 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44118 I wonder how this will affect their other worldwide events of GenCon Paris in April and GenCon Australia in July. Shouldn't affect GenCon UK as it's run by a different company under license and they seem to be perfectly capable of messing it up on their own... I wonder how this will affect their other worldwide events of GenCon Paris in April and GenCon Australia in July.
Shouldn’t affect GenCon UK as it’s run by a different company under license and they seem to be perfectly capable of messing it up on their own…

]]> By: Matt Forbeck http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44115 Matt Forbeck Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:38:34 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44115 Sounds like a fun conversation for over our next beer. ;) Sounds like a fun conversation for over our next beer. ;)

]]> By: Christian Johnson http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44114 Christian Johnson Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:32:18 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44114 Pretty much that's what I imagine to be going on. Ask me someday about my chaotic conference story and I'll share it. I'd do it here, but there are somethings one doesn't want floating the internet. Nothing illegal, but definitely something I'd not like to repeat. Pretty much that’s what I imagine to be going on. Ask me someday about my chaotic conference story and I’ll share it. I’d do it here, but there are somethings one doesn’t want floating the internet.

Nothing illegal, but definitely something I’d not like to repeat.

]]> By: Matt Forbeck http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44105 Matt Forbeck Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:25:15 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44105 Remember that Bella Sara is a product of Hidden City Games, a whole different company. The two do not mix assets. As for Bella Sara doing better, I'm not surprised. It's a mass-market gaming product with an internet element aimed at an underserved market: girls. Gen Con is very much its own thing and at the top of the game convention heap, at least in this hemisphere. That means it has few models for success other than its own. As for shenanigans, I can't speak to Gen Con's internal workings. Knowing Peter, I'd be shocked if he personally had anything to do with any improprieties. I think it's more likely that they may have had some problem nailing the financials down to Lucasfilm's satisfaction, as perhaps the individuals in charge of certain parts of the Star Wars Celebration show didn't keep the kinds of records they should have. I'll give Peter the benefit of the doubt any day, and I trust him to get this all sorted out. Remember that Bella Sara is a product of Hidden City Games, a whole different company. The two do not mix assets. As for Bella Sara doing better, I’m not surprised. It’s a mass-market gaming product with an internet element aimed at an underserved market: girls. Gen Con is very much its own thing and at the top of the game convention heap, at least in this hemisphere. That means it has few models for success other than its own.

As for shenanigans, I can’t speak to Gen Con’s internal workings. Knowing Peter, I’d be shocked if he personally had anything to do with any improprieties. I think it’s more likely that they may have had some problem nailing the financials down to Lucasfilm’s satisfaction, as perhaps the individuals in charge of certain parts of the Star Wars Celebration show didn’t keep the kinds of records they should have.

I’ll give Peter the benefit of the doubt any day, and I trust him to get this all sorted out.

]]> By: Christian Johnson http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44101 Christian Johnson Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:58:52 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44101 As a gamer, who is thankful to Adkison for saving D&D, I hope that the restructuring works and that everything ends up okay. As I've written before I miss SoCal and know that it cost GenCon a pretty penny to produce. As a Star Wars fan, I am wondering why GenCon failed to report the financials promptly and what the deal with the auction is. As a pure SW fan, I would not be happy with Gen Con at all -- at prima facie value it seems some shenanigans went on. As a non-profit director, I am also concerned about GenCon's behavior on the face. As a person who has played games for 3 decades, financial shenanigans in gaming are no new thing, so I'm a little more critical than others might be. But Adkison did save D&D, people I respect view him as a stand up guy, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I've put conferences together for work and know that sometimes things can get crazy, and that you are really dependent on those you are working with. So if there is any error, it likely is from some dark hole in the chain of command. I just find it a little bizarre that Bella Sera is doing better than GenCon. As a gamer, who is thankful to Adkison for saving D&D, I hope that the restructuring works and that everything ends up okay. As I’ve written before I miss SoCal and know that it cost GenCon a pretty penny to produce.

As a Star Wars fan, I am wondering why GenCon failed to report the financials promptly and what the deal with the auction is. As a pure SW fan, I would not be happy with Gen Con at all — at prima facie value it seems some shenanigans went on.

As a non-profit director, I am also concerned about GenCon’s behavior on the face.

As a person who has played games for 3 decades, financial shenanigans in gaming are no new thing, so I’m a little more critical than others might be.

But Adkison did save D&D, people I respect view him as a stand up guy, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I’ve put conferences together for work and know that sometimes things can get crazy, and that you are really dependent on those you are working with. So if there is any error, it likely is from some dark hole in the chain of command.

I just find it a little bizarre that Bella Sera is doing better than GenCon.

]]> By: The DMs Blog at DnDReviews.com » Blog Archive » GenCon Goes Bankrupt http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/comment-page-1/#comment-44097 The DMs Blog at DnDReviews.com » Blog Archive » GenCon Goes Bankrupt Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:47:45 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/2008/02/15/gen-con-woes/#comment-44097 [...] And Another. [...] [...] And Another. [...]

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