Comments on: World Without Games http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/ Matt Forbeck's official website and blog Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:36:01 +0000 hourly 1 By: Matt Forbeck http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48060 Matt Forbeck Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:26:35 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48060 It depends on what your goals are. You could develop the skills and contacts to do it yourself and pursue it as an independent project. If you want to just pitch it to a developer, that's challenging, since most developers have plenty of ideas of their own. If you're an established pro, you have a chance they would listen to you. You get to that point by working on a few games for yourself or other people and establishing your credentials. It depends on what your goals are. You could develop the skills and contacts to do it yourself and pursue it as an independent project. If you want to just pitch it to a developer, that’s challenging, since most developers have plenty of ideas of their own. If you’re an established pro, you have a chance they would listen to you. You get to that point by working on a few games for yourself or other people and establishing your credentials.

]]> By: Matt Forbeck http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48858 Matt Forbeck Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:26:00 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48858 It depends on what your goals are. You could develop the skills and contacts to do it yourself and pursue it as an independent project. If you want to just pitch it to a developer, that's challenging, since most developers have plenty of ideas of their own. If you're an established pro, you have a chance they would listen to you. You get to that point by working on a few games for yourself or other people and establishing your credentials. It depends on what your goals are. You could develop the skills and contacts to do it yourself and pursue it as an independent project. If you want to just pitch it to a developer, that’s challenging, since most developers have plenty of ideas of their own. If you’re an established pro, you have a chance they would listen to you. You get to that point by working on a few games for yourself or other people and establishing your credentials.

]]> By: frank http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48058 frank Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:01:45 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48058 I have some creative story line to creat a game. How do i pursue it. I have some creative story line to creat a game. How do i pursue it.

]]> By: frank http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48857 frank Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:01:00 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48857 I have some creative story line to creat a game. How do i pursue it. I have some creative story line to creat a game. How do i pursue it.

]]> By: Matt http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-784 Matt Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:22:02 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-784 Sure thing, John. My point is I don't think she needs to make that argument here. Expressions don't have to be art of any kind to be protected in the States. Bringing the matter of whether or not something is art into the argument calls for standards and value judgments. I think she'd be better served by avoiding that altogether—which she mostly does. Sure thing, John. My point is I don’t think she needs to make that argument here. Expressions don’t have to be art of any kind to be protected in the States. Bringing the matter of whether or not something is art into the argument calls for standards and value judgments. I think she’d be better served by avoiding that altogether—which she mostly does.

]]> By: Matt http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48856 Matt Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:22:00 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48856 Sure thing, John. My point is I don't think she needs to make that argument here. Expressions don't have to be art of any kind to be protected in the States. Bringing the matter of whether or not something is art into the argument calls for standards and value judgments. I think she'd be better served by avoiding that altogether—which she mostly does. Sure thing, John. My point is I don’t think she needs to make that argument here. Expressions don’t have to be art of any kind to be protected in the States. Bringing the matter of whether or not something is art into the argument calls for standards and value judgments. I think she’d be better served by avoiding that altogether—which she mostly does.

]]> By: JMcL63 http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-783 JMcL63 Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:15:40 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-783 "I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word “art” in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings." I dunno Matt. Greer tells us that she "could get into a long discussion here of the etiology of the word art and how that applies to videogames; could give a nice comparison of the process behind various accepted-as-art forms and the creative process behind games; [and] could even discuss various philosophers' and critics' ideas of what constitutes "art." This suggests to me someone who has indeed considered those loaded meanings, even if we aren't treated to an account of her musings and conclusions. I doubt that anyone would deny that "games are a form of expression". I just think that anyone who tags that with the word 'art' would surely have a pretty fair idea of what they are doing, especially when the application of the term to games is controversial among gamers.YMMV of course. Cheers, John ;) “I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word “art” in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings.”

I dunno Matt. Greer tells us that she “could get into a long discussion here of the etiology of the word art and how that applies to videogames; could give a nice comparison of the process behind various accepted-as-art forms and the creative process behind games; [and] could even discuss various philosophers’ and critics’ ideas of what constitutes “art.” This suggests to me someone who has indeed considered those loaded meanings, even if we aren’t treated to an account of her musings and conclusions.

I doubt that anyone would deny that “games are a form of expression”. I just think that anyone who tags that with the word ‘art’ would surely have a pretty fair idea of what they are doing, especially when the application of the term to games is controversial among gamers.YMMV of course.

Cheers,
John ;)

]]> By: JMcL63 http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48855 JMcL63 Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:15:00 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48855 "I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word “art” in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings." I dunno Matt. Greer tells us that she "could get into a long discussion here of the etiology of the word art and how that applies to videogames; could give a nice comparison of the process behind various accepted-as-art forms and the creative process behind games; [and] could even discuss various philosophers' and critics' ideas of what constitutes "art." This suggests to me someone who has indeed considered those loaded meanings, even if we aren't treated to an account of her musings and conclusions. I doubt that anyone would deny that "games are a form of expression". I just think that anyone who tags that with the word 'art' would surely have a pretty fair idea of what they are doing, especially when the application of the term to games is controversial among gamers.YMMV of course. Cheers, John ;) “I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word “art” in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings.”

I dunno Matt. Greer tells us that she “could get into a long discussion here of the etiology of the word art and how that applies to videogames; could give a nice comparison of the process behind various accepted-as-art forms and the creative process behind games; [and] could even discuss various philosophers’ and critics’ ideas of what constitutes “art.” This suggests to me someone who has indeed considered those loaded meanings, even if we aren’t treated to an account of her musings and conclusions.

I doubt that anyone would deny that “games are a form of expression”. I just think that anyone who tags that with the word ‘art’ would surely have a pretty fair idea of what they are doing, especially when the application of the term to games is controversial among gamers.YMMV of course.

Cheers,
John ;)

]]> By: Matt http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-781 Matt Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:50:02 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-781 Hi John! Good points! I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word "art" in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings. It's clear that she means that games are a form of expression—which doesn't necessarily need to muster artistic merit to be protected under our First Amendment. It's easier to gather sympathies from others if you claim an art form is under attack, but I don't think you need to go that far to show that games constitute a protectable form of expression—at least here in the States. Hi John!

Good points! I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word “art” in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings. It’s clear that she means that games are a form of expression—which doesn’t necessarily need to muster artistic merit to be protected under our First Amendment. It’s easier to gather sympathies from others if you claim an art form is under attack, but I don’t think you need to go that far to show that games constitute a protectable form of expression—at least here in the States.

]]> By: Matt http://www.forbeck.com/2006/03/07/world-without-games/comment-page-1/#comment-48854 Matt Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:50:00 +0000 http://www.forbeck.com/?p=487#comment-48854 Hi John! Good points! I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word "art" in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings. It's clear that she means that games are a form of expression—which doesn't necessarily need to muster artistic merit to be protected under our First Amendment. It's easier to gather sympathies from others if you claim an art form is under attack, but I don't think you need to go that far to show that games constitute a protectable form of expression—at least here in the States. Hi John!

Good points! I think that the editor (Julianne Greer) tosses around the word “art” in this context without consideration for all its loaded meanings. It’s clear that she means that games are a form of expression—which doesn’t necessarily need to muster artistic merit to be protected under our First Amendment. It’s easier to gather sympathies from others if you claim an art form is under attack, but I don’t think you need to go that far to show that games constitute a protectable form of expression—at least here in the States.

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